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		<title>By: Breadtopia</title>
		<link>http://www.breadtopia.com/basic-no-knead-method/#comment-38854</link>
		<dc:creator>Breadtopia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi &lt;b&gt;Marc&lt;/b&gt;. This post might be of some help with that: http://www.breadtopia.com/2008/08/09/increasing-your-no-knead-recipes/

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi <b>Marc</b>. This post might be of some help with that: <a href="http://www.breadtopia.com/2008/08/09/increasing-your-no-knead-recipes/" rel="nofollow">http://www.breadtopia.com/2008/08/09/increasing-your-no-knead-recipes/</a></p>
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		<title>By: marc lowen</title>
		<link>http://www.breadtopia.com/basic-no-knead-method/#comment-38851</link>
		<dc:creator>marc lowen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can someone help me increase the basic no knead by1and 1/2 times so I can get a larger loaf

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can someone help me increase the basic no knead by1and 1/2 times so I can get a larger loaf</p>
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		<title>By: Breadtopia</title>
		<link>http://www.breadtopia.com/basic-no-knead-method/#comment-38841</link>
		<dc:creator>Breadtopia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;BJ&lt;/b&gt; - go to your favorite building supply store a get one of those plastic troughs that sheet rock guys use to hold sheet rock mud. You can usually find one that&#039;s about the same size and shape as an oblong proofing basket but maybe only a few dollars. Drape a well floured towel in it and voila you&#039;re all set.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>BJ</b> &#8211; go to your favorite building supply store a get one of those plastic troughs that sheet rock guys use to hold sheet rock mud. You can usually find one that&#8217;s about the same size and shape as an oblong proofing basket but maybe only a few dollars. Drape a well floured towel in it and voila you&#8217;re all set.</p>
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		<title>By: William Ross</title>
		<link>http://www.breadtopia.com/basic-no-knead-method/#comment-38606</link>
		<dc:creator>William Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: the turtle shell problem:

Lahey (the originator of this recipe) designed this recipe with the express desire to have a firm crust surrounding an airy crumb

That your crust is *too* hard suggests a few possible problems:

* your oven may not be calibrated quite right. Many ovens are 25 degrees hotter or cooler than the oven settings read
* you may be at a different altitude which affects the temperature at which water boils
* your flour may have settled, resulting in the measurement not being accurate (the solution is to measure by weight)
* your dutch oven might be of a different size or thickness

In other words, there are many, many things that could cause your problem.

I would try taking it out of the oven sooner, and then let it continue to bake while it cools. Don&#039;t slice it open until it is cool because the inside dries out during the cooling process.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: the turtle shell problem:</p>
<p>Lahey (the originator of this recipe) designed this recipe with the express desire to have a firm crust surrounding an airy crumb</p>
<p>That your crust is *too* hard suggests a few possible problems:</p>
<p>* your oven may not be calibrated quite right. Many ovens are 25 degrees hotter or cooler than the oven settings read<br />
* you may be at a different altitude which affects the temperature at which water boils<br />
* your flour may have settled, resulting in the measurement not being accurate (the solution is to measure by weight)<br />
* your dutch oven might be of a different size or thickness</p>
<p>In other words, there are many, many things that could cause your problem.</p>
<p>I would try taking it out of the oven sooner, and then let it continue to bake while it cools. Don&#8217;t slice it open until it is cool because the inside dries out during the cooling process.</p>
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		<title>By: BJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>BJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 00:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have my oblong baker, but do not have an oblong proofing basket or anything that i can proof my bread in that even resembles the shape of my baker.  How do I proof it in the shape and then get it into the hot baker?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have my oblong baker, but do not have an oblong proofing basket or anything that i can proof my bread in that even resembles the shape of my baker.  How do I proof it in the shape and then get it into the hot baker?</p>
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		<title>By: Marianne</title>
		<link>http://www.breadtopia.com/basic-no-knead-method/#comment-38547</link>
		<dc:creator>Marianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Gary,
I will send a letter to Santa and tell him to skip me, and spend my gift money on you instead. Sorry about that. I paniced when I saw that lady was using Pyrex and the email that I received warning about it popped into my mind. Just thought I was doing my duty in warning people. I should have checked it out more carefully before forwarding it on this forum.

Good luck with your baking. 
Marianne

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Gary,<br />
I will send a letter to Santa and tell him to skip me, and spend my gift money on you instead. Sorry about that. I paniced when I saw that lady was using Pyrex and the email that I received warning about it popped into my mind. Just thought I was doing my duty in warning people. I should have checked it out more carefully before forwarding it on this forum.</p>
<p>Good luck with your baking.<br />
Marianne</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 22:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marianne...   sorry for mis-spelling your name earlier....and you owe me $83.00 for all my tossed out and broken Pyrex....  lol

C&#039;mon Christmas...!  Santa&#039;s gonna have to bring me my La Cloche and several other goodies....

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marianne&#8230;   sorry for mis-spelling your name earlier&#8230;.and you owe me $83.00 for all my tossed out and broken Pyrex&#8230;.  lol</p>
<p>C&#8217;mon Christmas&#8230;!  Santa&#8217;s gonna have to bring me my La Cloche and several other goodies&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Marianne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 22:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to Mythbuster Gary an other forum members regarding dangerous Pyrex

thanks Gary for posting that response to my post. You are right, some of these emails that are &quot;warnings&quot; flying around are not always reliable.

I was going to add to my earlier post to tell everyone that I recently bought a new Pyrex dish just to check it out. The label said it was manufactured in the US, so obviously the email I received was not accurate.

Sorry for any panic that I may have caused anyone out there. I should not have been so hasty in passing that email along.
Marianne

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to Mythbuster Gary an other forum members regarding dangerous Pyrex</p>
<p>thanks Gary for posting that response to my post. You are right, some of these emails that are &#8220;warnings&#8221; flying around are not always reliable.</p>
<p>I was going to add to my earlier post to tell everyone that I recently bought a new Pyrex dish just to check it out. The label said it was manufactured in the US, so obviously the email I received was not accurate.</p>
<p>Sorry for any panic that I may have caused anyone out there. I should not have been so hasty in passing that email along.<br />
Marianne</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 04:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A late response to Mariane&#039;s post concerning Pyrex... 

http://www.snopes.com/food/warnings/pyrex.asp

Evidently, the use of the &quot;new&quot; glass has been going on for quite some time....  And whenever you get those &quot;scary&quot; e-mails, check them out...!  Snopes is a good place...

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Urban Legends Reference Pages (snopes.com)  

Snopes.com (pronounced /ˈsnoʊps/), officially the Urban Legends Reference Pages, is a web site that is the best-known resource for validating and debunking urban legends, Internet rumors, e-mail forwards, and other such stories of uncertain or questionable origin in American popular culture.[1] Snopes is run by Barbara and David Mikkelson, a California couple who met on the alt.folklore.urban newsgroup. The Mikkelsons also founded the San Fernando Valley Folklore Society, and were credited as the owners of the site until 2005.[2] The site is organized according to topic and includes a message board where stories and pictures of questionable veracity may be posted.


Mythbuster Gary

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A late response to Mariane&#8217;s post concerning Pyrex&#8230; </p>
<p><a href="http://www.snopes.com/food/warnings/pyrex.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.snopes.com/food/warnings/pyrex.asp</a></p>
<p>Evidently, the use of the &#8220;new&#8221; glass has been going on for quite some time&#8230;.  And whenever you get those &#8220;scary&#8221; e-mails, check them out&#8230;!  Snopes is a good place&#8230;</p>
<p>From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia<br />
Urban Legends Reference Pages (snopes.com)  </p>
<p>Snopes.com (pronounced /ˈsnoʊps/), officially the Urban Legends Reference Pages, is a web site that is the best-known resource for validating and debunking urban legends, Internet rumors, e-mail forwards, and other such stories of uncertain or questionable origin in American popular culture.[1] Snopes is run by Barbara and David Mikkelson, a California couple who met on the alt.folklore.urban newsgroup. The Mikkelsons also founded the San Fernando Valley Folklore Society, and were credited as the owners of the site until 2005.[2] The site is organized according to topic and includes a message board where stories and pictures of questionable veracity may be posted.</p>
<p>Mythbuster Gary</p>
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		<title>By: April</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 04:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, it was the fact that the dough was left in a very warm oven overnight that made it soupy.  I had put the dough in the oven with the oven light on to bump up the temp a tiny bit in order to have the dough rise better than on my freezing cold kitchen counter. I meant to turn the light off before going to bed but forgot and you would be surprised how hot that oven was in the morning with just the light burning! 

I have not found any ill effect from leaving dough sit too long for the initial rise. You could even put the dough in the fridge for a longer slower fermentation period. 

The second rise, when the dough is shaped and left to rest on a floured towel, should never be left too long or you will get into trouble. For instance, the dough will begin to absorb the extra flour and become glued to the towel or brotform, or the dough will over-inflate and collapse when put into the oven.  It&#039;s best to anticipate a little bit of rise left in the dough to pop in the oven - what people are calling &#039;oven spring&#039;. An over-risen loaf will result in a flatter loaf in the end.

Sometimes the dough will look really wet and sticky when it is fully risen but if you put a sprinkle of flour over the top and fold it over itself a few times it will be fine.  You can tell when the dough is initially mixed how wet the dough will be and that is the time to adjust by adding more flour or water. It is easier to add more flour than more water at this point BTW as adding a tiny bit of water after mixing seems to really make an impact on the dough. You will get the feel for what works for you.

I use slightly less water in the &#039;plain&#039; dough than a dough containing chopped grains.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it was the fact that the dough was left in a very warm oven overnight that made it soupy.  I had put the dough in the oven with the oven light on to bump up the temp a tiny bit in order to have the dough rise better than on my freezing cold kitchen counter. I meant to turn the light off before going to bed but forgot and you would be surprised how hot that oven was in the morning with just the light burning! </p>
<p>I have not found any ill effect from leaving dough sit too long for the initial rise. You could even put the dough in the fridge for a longer slower fermentation period. </p>
<p>The second rise, when the dough is shaped and left to rest on a floured towel, should never be left too long or you will get into trouble. For instance, the dough will begin to absorb the extra flour and become glued to the towel or brotform, or the dough will over-inflate and collapse when put into the oven.  It&#8217;s best to anticipate a little bit of rise left in the dough to pop in the oven &#8211; what people are calling &#8216;oven spring&#8217;. An over-risen loaf will result in a flatter loaf in the end.</p>
<p>Sometimes the dough will look really wet and sticky when it is fully risen but if you put a sprinkle of flour over the top and fold it over itself a few times it will be fine.  You can tell when the dough is initially mixed how wet the dough will be and that is the time to adjust by adding more flour or water. It is easier to add more flour than more water at this point BTW as adding a tiny bit of water after mixing seems to really make an impact on the dough. You will get the feel for what works for you.</p>
<p>I use slightly less water in the &#8216;plain&#8217; dough than a dough containing chopped grains.</p>
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