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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Lorri,

&quot;Hooch&quot; is alcohol, the byproduct of fermentation.  It&#039;s not the same as the &quot;whey&quot; on top of your sour cream.  The &#039;fourty-niners&#039; from the Alaska gold rush days were said to have drank the stuff.  I don&#039;t doubt it.  Try it!  

As for me, I stir my down into the mix when feeding my sourdough.  It does make me wonder, though - since it is a byproduct, also considered &quot;waste,&quot; why not pour it off.  I know that when fermenting beer, for instance, that alcohol will eventually kill the yeast and stop further fermentation.  But, I&#039;ve always been told to stir it back it.  Any other ideas, anyone?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lorri,</p>
<p>&#8220;Hooch&#8221; is alcohol, the byproduct of fermentation.  It&#8217;s not the same as the &#8220;whey&#8221; on top of your sour cream.  The &#8216;fourty-niners&#8217; from the Alaska gold rush days were said to have drank the stuff.  I don&#8217;t doubt it.  Try it!  </p>
<p>As for me, I stir my down into the mix when feeding my sourdough.  It does make me wonder, though &#8211; since it is a byproduct, also considered &#8220;waste,&#8221; why not pour it off.  I know that when fermenting beer, for instance, that alcohol will eventually kill the yeast and stop further fermentation.  But, I&#8217;ve always been told to stir it back it.  Any other ideas, anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: LorriU</title>
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		<dc:creator>LorriU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bill,  I have gone over again your Nov 18 post and I finally get the formula!  My mind was thinking ozs and you were saying grams!  It is very simple!  Thank you and Eric for all your help.  I think I&#039;ve got it!

On another subject, I keep forgetting to ask:  do I pour off the &quot;hooch&quot; from my starter?  At first I just stirred it down.  What is hooch anyway?  Is it the same as the liquid in my kefir or say on top of sour cream? 

This has been so much fun for me!  Thanks to all!

Lorri U

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bill,  I have gone over again your Nov 18 post and I finally get the formula!  My mind was thinking ozs and you were saying grams!  It is very simple!  Thank you and Eric for all your help.  I think I&#8217;ve got it!</p>
<p>On another subject, I keep forgetting to ask:  do I pour off the &#8220;hooch&#8221; from my starter?  At first I just stirred it down.  What is hooch anyway?  Is it the same as the liquid in my kefir or say on top of sour cream? </p>
<p>This has been so much fun for me!  Thanks to all!</p>
<p>Lorri U</p>
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		<title>By: LorriU</title>
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		<dc:creator>LorriU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Will,  Thank you for the address.  Very helpfull!  Lorri U

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Will,  Thank you for the address.  Very helpfull!  Lorri U</p>
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		<title>By: Wil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lorri,
 The address I have is: Marilyn Kefirlady, P.O. Box 375, Fayette, Ohio 43521
 The tel is 419-237-3095  marilynjarz@gmail.com
My grains grow fast and really large. Big as crabapples.

Wil

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lorri,<br />
 The address I have is: Marilyn Kefirlady, P.O. Box 375, Fayette, Ohio 43521<br />
 The tel is 419-237-3095  <a href="mailto:marilynjarz@gmail.com">marilynjarz@gmail.com</a><br />
My grains grow fast and really large. Big as crabapples.</p>
<p>Wil</p>
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		<title>By: LorriU</title>
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		<dc:creator>LorriU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wil ( from Nov 2, 2009)  
Do you have the address of the Ohio Kefir lady.  My &quot;mother&quot; is getting smaller and smaller and I just don&#039;t know why.  Thanks in advance!
Lorri U

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wil ( from Nov 2, 2009)<br />
Do you have the address of the Ohio Kefir lady.  My &#8220;mother&#8221; is getting smaller and smaller and I just don&#8217;t know why.  Thanks in advance!<br />
Lorri U</p>
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		<title>By: LorriU</title>
		<link>http://www.breadtopia.com/sourdough-no-knead-method/#comment-39240</link>
		<dc:creator>LorriU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Bill,  I remember my first loaf about 6 loafs ago, I did weigh my flours.  It was my first and only success!  I am ANAL big time.  I think this site is good for another reason:  it gives us a chance to support each other and work through our problems, like therapy!!!! JOKE!  More news later when I make my next loaf!  Lorri

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Bill,  I remember my first loaf about 6 loafs ago, I did weigh my flours.  It was my first and only success!  I am ANAL big time.  I think this site is good for another reason:  it gives us a chance to support each other and work through our problems, like therapy!!!! JOKE!  More news later when I make my next loaf!  Lorri</p>
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		<title>By: LorriU</title>
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		<dc:creator>LorriU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HI VICKIE,  Thank you for your input.  The next batch I do I will try proofing less.  Also I am going to weigh my ingredients too.  I too am anal about this breadmaking!  I won,t be satisfied until I can make consitantly good bread.  The very first loaf I made-just plain sourdough from Eric&#039;s recipe and made in a DO was the best one I did!  Maybe you saw the pictures.  It is the no-knead, with all it&#039;s variables that is driving me nuts.  I just went back and looked at your loaf.  WOW!  You are right to be proud.  Lorri U

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HI VICKIE,  Thank you for your input.  The next batch I do I will try proofing less.  Also I am going to weigh my ingredients too.  I too am anal about this breadmaking!  I won,t be satisfied until I can make consitantly good bread.  The very first loaf I made-just plain sourdough from Eric&#8217;s recipe and made in a DO was the best one I did!  Maybe you saw the pictures.  It is the no-knead, with all it&#8217;s variables that is driving me nuts.  I just went back and looked at your loaf.  WOW!  You are right to be proud.  Lorri U</p>
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		<title>By: Vicki McCullough</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LorriU, I had the same problem you are having.  I found that I was over proofing, I now only let it rise about 12-14 hours. After the 14 hours I turn it out on a floured board and sprinklie lots of flour on it before I knead it flat and fold it. I do it just like Erics video, This makes the dough a bit easier to work with.  I also found that once my starter was good and active,( It takes time I think for it to mature). Things started to turn around.  Their is a picture of my success on this web site. date is Sept 9 2009.  Don&#039;t give up.  My la cloche also made a world of difference. /Vicki

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LorriU, I had the same problem you are having.  I found that I was over proofing, I now only let it rise about 12-14 hours. After the 14 hours I turn it out on a floured board and sprinklie lots of flour on it before I knead it flat and fold it. I do it just like Erics video, This makes the dough a bit easier to work with.  I also found that once my starter was good and active,( It takes time I think for it to mature). Things started to turn around.  Their is a picture of my success on this web site. date is Sept 9 2009.  Don&#8217;t give up.  My la cloche also made a world of difference. /Vicki</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi LorriU,

I&#039;m afraid you&#039;re about to find out how anal I can be - so bear with me!  I have to get somewhat mathematical, but not too much, I hope.  Hydration is simply a ratio of flour to water, but you simply can&#039;t do it right by volume - you have to figure it by weight.  So weight of water divided by weight of flour equals your hydration level.  Simple, huh?  350g of water divided by 500g of flour equals 70% hydration.  So you can easily determine how big a loaf you want by using this formula.  If you wanted a bigger loaf, say 700g of flour, then you&#039;d simply multiply 700 by whatever hydration level you wanted (let&#039;s stick with 70%), so 700 x .7 = 490g of water.  I find using grams as a reference is a bit more accurate than using ounces, but it doesn&#039;t matter.

Here&#039;s why weight is so much better than volume:  according to the King Arthur Flour web site a properly measured cup of flour weighs 4 1/4 ounces .  Most others say 5 ounces per cup.  The original Sullivan St. Bakery recipe calls for 3 cups of flour, which they interpret to be 430g, or 15.2 oz.  Lesson - a cup of flour varies greatly by weight because it compresses.  As I said earlier, for a pure white flour loaf, I use 500g flour and 350g water for a 70% hydration level.  

So, what&#039;s the hydration level of your dough?  Well, water always equals 8 oz. (or roughly 227g) per cup.   You&#039;re using 1.5 cups, or 12oz.  If your cup of flour weighs 5oz, then your hydration is at 80%.  I find that level to be really wet, though Eric gets by with it somehow (I don&#039;t know how!).  If I try to work with a dough that wet, it comes out sticky and flat - great for ciabatta bread, not so good for what we&#039;re trying to do.  

I hate to admit it, but here&#039;s a web site that explains all this much better than I can:  http://www.thefreshloaf.com/handbook/baker039s-math

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi LorriU,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid you&#8217;re about to find out how anal I can be &#8211; so bear with me!  I have to get somewhat mathematical, but not too much, I hope.  Hydration is simply a ratio of flour to water, but you simply can&#8217;t do it right by volume &#8211; you have to figure it by weight.  So weight of water divided by weight of flour equals your hydration level.  Simple, huh?  350g of water divided by 500g of flour equals 70% hydration.  So you can easily determine how big a loaf you want by using this formula.  If you wanted a bigger loaf, say 700g of flour, then you&#8217;d simply multiply 700 by whatever hydration level you wanted (let&#8217;s stick with 70%), so 700 x .7 = 490g of water.  I find using grams as a reference is a bit more accurate than using ounces, but it doesn&#8217;t matter.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s why weight is so much better than volume:  according to the King Arthur Flour web site a properly measured cup of flour weighs 4 1/4 ounces .  Most others say 5 ounces per cup.  The original Sullivan St. Bakery recipe calls for 3 cups of flour, which they interpret to be 430g, or 15.2 oz.  Lesson &#8211; a cup of flour varies greatly by weight because it compresses.  As I said earlier, for a pure white flour loaf, I use 500g flour and 350g water for a 70% hydration level.  </p>
<p>So, what&#8217;s the hydration level of your dough?  Well, water always equals 8 oz. (or roughly 227g) per cup.   You&#8217;re using 1.5 cups, or 12oz.  If your cup of flour weighs 5oz, then your hydration is at 80%.  I find that level to be really wet, though Eric gets by with it somehow (I don&#8217;t know how!).  If I try to work with a dough that wet, it comes out sticky and flat &#8211; great for ciabatta bread, not so good for what we&#8217;re trying to do.  </p>
<p>I hate to admit it, but here&#8217;s a web site that explains all this much better than I can:  <a href="http://www.thefreshloaf.com/handbook/baker039s-math" rel="nofollow">http://www.thefreshloaf.com/handbook/baker039s-math</a></p>
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		<title>By: LorriU</title>
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		<dc:creator>LorriU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bill,  Glad you squeezed in!  I need all the help I can get!  I don&#039;t understand 70% hydration.  I used 1 1/2 cups water to 3 cups assorted flours resulting in very wet bread after first 18 hour ferment.  What percent of hydration am I getting?  I think I will try kneading in the bowl and adding more flour until it is not quite so sticky and then turning it our on board and folding before putting in basket for last proofing.  I love Eric&#039;s site and all of the help available!  I intend to master this if it the last thing I do!!!  Thanks for your input, too!

Lorri U

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bill,  Glad you squeezed in!  I need all the help I can get!  I don&#8217;t understand 70% hydration.  I used 1 1/2 cups water to 3 cups assorted flours resulting in very wet bread after first 18 hour ferment.  What percent of hydration am I getting?  I think I will try kneading in the bowl and adding more flour until it is not quite so sticky and then turning it our on board and folding before putting in basket for last proofing.  I love Eric&#8217;s site and all of the help available!  I intend to master this if it the last thing I do!!!  Thanks for your input, too!</p>
<p>Lorri U</p>
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